Models that make a good fit for Venice AI.
I don’t quite understand why Venice AI pivoted to Qwen models when they are generally pretty censored and not very smart. After spending months — I guess years by now 👀 — gauging many various LLMs on compliance, censorship and smarts, I really only hold three base models worth my time:
Kimi K2.
Smartest model that is rather close to being entirely uncensored. Can sometimes be dubiously argumentative, but is otherwise compliant.
Mistral Large.
By far the least censored and most compliant model out there. Much smarter than many other models, despite Mistral claiming that their Medium is better in every way. Has a very hard time spotting own and user’s mistakes.
Grok 4
A pretty decent compromise when the other two aren’t cutting it or aren’t available.
To be clear, when I say “uncensored,” I mean that the model’s compliance overcomes whatever degree of censorship the weights carry, i. e. you can directly prompt it to drop censorship, even just by defining the context, usually as a system role. Incompliant models are quite antithetical to utility and, sadly, the market is full of them.
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Rose Milkyway
Jan 6
Glad to see Kimi K2 was added as well! I would much prefer the non-thinking variant, however, especially when credits are charged for what I consider to be useless wheel-spinning.
As for Mistral Large, yeah, that ship has passed for various reasons. The old Large was never polished and the new one recently released carries the Mistral Medium plague. Something awful happened to their training dataset resembling DeepSeek atrocity…
Rose Milkyway
Nov 30, 2025
I see Grok 4.1 was added. 👏 Quite glad.
As a PRO user I’m not happy with it being Pay Per Use, of course. I don’t ever want to even be thinking of credits… But it’s great to have the option in a pinch.
From comparing 4.1 to 4.0, I found a very considerable improvement to an already decent model that makes it a very strong contender for my #1. Amazing perceptiveness. Censorship much improved, i. e. almost nonexistent.
My only remaining personal issue with it is simply summed up as right-wing bias. Which many people will appreciate. But Kimi K2 ends up being a much more insightful collocutor with its clear grasp of history, stemming from its left-leaning bias.
Jack
Oct 28, 2025
Thanks for the feedback. We’d love to offer Mistral Large but it’s a mrl license. We are evaluating other options as a replacement for Qwen